Later, this exchange:

Local: Can you define customary/traditional uses?

Ranger Hunter Sharp: No I can’t.

Local: “What my impression of that is, and I’m sorry if you don’t have one, but the fact that snowmachines can go up and down McCarthy creek. Not a single snowmachine ever traveled up and down McCarthy Creek until a bulldozer put in a trail. And that seems like a more traditional-customary use on that land than a snowmachine. They came first. It is an existing legitimate use.”

Local: “You know the old photographs have bulldozers in them. The bulldozers were there before the park was there. Wouldn't it be easy for you guys to say ‘we don't like it, but its traditional use’ and it would be o.k. because you’re the superintendent and everything goes away…It’s really easy”

GC: It's not that easy.

Local: “Well, it could be if you wanted it to be.”

And this:

Question: “I am wondering why now today after 22 years… I guess you know everybody in this room, yourself included, knows that this is a particular where because the Pilgrims wouldn’t talk to you, you’re punishing them…or you are asserting this method to teach them a lesson.”

GC: “No, No, No.”

Local: “The road already existed.”

GC: “I know that there was a road.”

Local: “So you admit there was a road?”

GC: “There obviously was. The road commission says in the history of the area.”

And this:

Local: “The road, the tunnel, the bridges, the photographs, and the testimony from people that have been using it..it will only be clear that guess what? That was not a forest, it was a road! Everyone’s gonna know it. It’ll be clear at the end of the day.”

Local: “My point is this…why not just give us options. Say, leave the Pilgrims alone, they are never going to talk to us. If they destroy something, then go after them.”

GC: “Then I’m derelict in my duty and I can’t do that.”

Local: “So do you plan to arrest them and if so do you plan to single them out or will you arrest all of us when we go and start maintaining that road?”

GC: “Until the road or the route is adjudicated as a legitimate right-of-way, yes you are subject to citation.”

At one point, after a heated exchange about the legality of the road closure, the Superintendent pointed outside the window (at the Pilgrim family) and said: “Do you know who created your problem? Those folks created your problem.” The crowd went wild with hoots and cries of protest.

Some time was spent questioning Rangers Sharp and Neeck concerning allegations of phone surveillance. Both rangers strongly denied the charges.

Keith Rowland read a list of requests from the Pilgrim family concerning a land survey the NPS had posted notice it will do in June.

Bonnie Kenyon received applause from the crowd when she spoke: